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Over the last several years weâve had much debate on the topic of women in the infantry. Support for the idea comes from many military women, some of whom, like the Lionesses of the Marine Corps and the Special Forces âenablersâ, were embedded with infantry units. Some women in non-combat units who were occasionally on combat missions have also spoken out in favor of allowing women into the infantry.
Unfortunately, support also comes from ignorant morons who never served, would never serve, donât know anyone who serves, and view military gender integration as a social justice cause. They make stupid statements like âThe military has finally recognized that there are no lines or drawn battlefields anymore where they could put the âgirlsâ in the rear. If you carry a weapon, you are in the thick of it.â
Yes, some moron on the Huffington Post actually said that.
A few female combat veterans have spoken out against the idea, including Marine Captain Katie Petronio. She described the physical damage she suffered while working with infantry units, and strongly criticized the federal governmentâs Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Service, which was pushing women into combat arms. ââŚNone of the committee members are on active duty or have any recent combat or relevant operational experience relating to the issue they are attempting to change.â
Weâve also heard from long-time infantrymen, many of whom oppose giving women even the opportunity to test for combat arms. They and others see the whole idea as ânothing but troubleâ. Many veterans, particularly (though by no means exclusively) Cold War-era vets, seem to be dead set against any type of military gender integration, on any level.
Iâve spoken on the subject as well. My take was, allow women into the infantry, but only if they pass a screening test beforehand. And no matter what, donât lower the standards. But my opinion only means so much. Although Iâm a combat veteran, I was never infantry.
So everyone seems to be talking about women in infantry. Everyone except women who were infantry, and who actually were in combat.
Yes, they do exist.
I was recently introduced online to a woman who served seven years as a Danish Army infantry soldier and deployed to Kosovo and Afghanistan. In Afghanistan she was a rifleman (her word), Carl Gustav recoilless rifle gunner and team leader. That role is roughly equivalent to a fire team leader, but with three soldiers instead of four; her role as fire team leader also made her assistant squad leader. She was in multiple firefights, had casualties in her platoon, and carried her load alongside everyone else. Sheâs also an American citizen, born here but raised in Denmark. She has plenty of actual infantry combat experience, and understands American culture. Her opinions on this subject deserve to be heard.
At this point, Iâm sure some readers are walking away in disgust at the very idea that a woman could be infantry. See you guys later, hope you open your mind someday. On the other side of the debate, âsocial justice warriorsâ who know nothing at all about the military wonât read past the last paragraph before proclaiming, âSee? Women are the same as men! Open the infantry to all women, you cismale gendernormative fascists!â Well, screw you simpleminded âI put lofty ideals over realityâ idiots.
And some readers are skeptical about women in the infantry, but willing to listen to opposing views. Those are the people Iâm trying to reach.
Iâd like to introduce you open-minded readers to our Danish female infantry combat vet. Sheâs chosen to remain anonymous, so Iâll call her âMaryâ. Mary has moved on from combat arms, and isnât trying to become the spokesperson for women in the infantry. Sheâs just a proud infantry combat vet who agreed to talk about her experience.
Iâve spent hours speaking to Mary online and on Skype. Like most infantry soldiers, sheâs crude, crass and fun to talk with. Her language probably draws horrified stares when sheâs around polite company (she really likes making penis jokes). Sheâs intelligent and has a quick wit. And no, sheâs not a âbig-bonedâ butch lesbian with a crew cut and mustache. Sheâs straight, married to a man she met in the army, and is pretty much the beautiful blond goddess Americans imagine all Scandinavian women to be.
Maryâs first deployment was to Kosovo, as a peacekeeper in the Mitrovica region. Kosovo experiences periodic unrest, but Mary didnât see any combat there. Afghanistan, of course, was different.
Maryâs company went to Helmand Province in 2009 for a six-month deployment. She was in a sister company to the Danish troops in the documentary Armadillo, which won an award at the Cannes Film Festival in 2010. Helmand Province back then, as now, was no joke. When she returned to Helmand in 2011, it wasnât any safer.
Mary wasnât a hero, and doesnât claim to have done anything more than her job. But that job was to be a real infantry soldier. Even though sheâs a woman (a female woman!), she somehow pulled it off.
Iâm going to identify the most common questions and objections raised when we discuss females in combat arms, then let Mary give her opinion on each one. Where applicable, my own observations and opinions will be included and will be clearly identified as such.
âWomen arenât physically capable of serving in the infantry.â
Denmark has a conscript army. Draftees have to serve at least four months, just long enough for basic training. Females arenât subject to conscription but are welcome to volunteer. Mary joined the army at twenty-two and was in an infantry basic training platoon with thirty males and ten females. She made it through with no issues, along with five other females. Two females dropped due to medical problems and two quit (volunteers are allowed to quit, draftees arenât).
âAfter those four months, if you pass with a high enough score, you can opt for ârealâ military training,â Mary said. âAfter the conscript period, out of 400 conscripts, about 100 of us stayed on for what they call Reaction Force Training, which is a short-term contract where you train for eight months and then deploy to Kosovo or Afghanistan.â
Of the six females in her platoon who graduated basic, Mary and two others chose to stay infantry. But she was quick to point out that Denmarkâs standards for infantry were nothing to brag about when she joined.
âBack then, our PT standards were a shambles. You had to pass a two-mile run in fifteen minutes, and do some pushups and situps. There was no special test for infantry, pretty much anyone could do it. Since Denmark really started contributing to the War on Terror, weâve raised the standards quite a bit for combat arms. And the standards are the same for males and females.â
Mary spent the Kosovo deployment working out, which prepared her for Afghanistan. âI wasnât in great shape before I joined the army. Since then Iâve gotten much better, although Iâm still better at strength tests than running.â In Afghanistan her combat load, depending on whether she was acting as rifleman, team leader or Carl Gustav gunner, averaged about eighty pounds. According to Mary, she had no issue humping her ruck, never fell out of a march, and never had to pass off her gear to anyone else. Not even when she was carrying the twenty-one pound Gustav.
Most missions in Afghanistan last no longer than a day. Mary never had to hump a 100+ pound ruck for days or weeks at a time. She was quick to point out that she was mechanized infantry, and even on nine-day missions always had an M113 close by. Those who oppose women in the infantry will likely claim that humping eighty pounds on an eight-hour patrol is âeasyâ compared to the multi-day slogs with over 100 pounds grunts have endured in training and past wars.
True enough. But thatâs not the standard for passing infantry school. If thatâs the standard we want to maintain, then hold male infantrymen to it as well. I imagine our infantry units would lose quite a few male troops if we did.
âMales and females are physiologically different, and should be separated in the military just like they are in sports.â
Part of the argument against females in the infantry focuses on physiological differences between males and females. The best female athlete canât compete with the best male athlete, the average woman isnât as strong as the average male. Genders are separated in professional sports and the Olympics. Thatâs all true. Mary has, I think, a realistic answer to that.
âPeople always point to the separate male and female leagues in sports, which is a valid point — it is biology — but infantry isn’t the major leagues, SOF is. Obviously we’d love to have all our infantrymen consist of 6’5″ super-athletes, but it’s not realistic. If you’re letting in small guys who barely pass the standards, what’s the compelling argument for keeping women out?
âAnd the âI’m 3000 pounds with all my gear on, how is Sally Cheerleader going to drag my ass out of the line of fireâ argument? Jesus. EVERY platoon has at least one or two guys no one else can carry. We had one huge motherfucker that needed three to just pull him out of an APC. So is there gonna be an upper size limit, too? Some guys were so tall, they got back problems from sitting in a cramped APC. Everyone’s got their cross to carry. Everyone comes with benefits and drawbacks.â
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Chris Hernandez is a 20 year police officer, former Marine and currently serving National Guard soldier with over 25 years of military service. He is a combat veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan and also served 18 months as a United Nations police officer in Kosovo. He writes for BreachBangClear.com, Iron Mike magazine and has published two military fiction novels, Proof of Our Resolve and Line in the Valley, through Tactical16 Publishing. He can be reached at [email protected] or on his Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/ProofofOurResolve).
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When my current police department hired me I had pretty good qualifications: ten years military service, two years college, three years prior law enforcement. I breezed through the academy. Despite competing with cadets who had bachelorsâ or masters degrees, I graduated number one academically and number three overall. During field training I passed my evaluations on the first try.
Later, while I was on my probationary period, I was on patrol with another officer. We met a friend of his for lunch. I had never met the guy before. He was a cowboy type, blond and muscular.
I introduced myself. The friend shook my hand and asked me, âWhatâs your last name again?â
âHernandez.â
âOh,â he said, with a disgusted sneer. âI know how you got your job.â
I was taken aback. I stared at him, not quite believing I heard what I knew I heard. I tensely answered, âNo, I got my job because Iâve got military service, college and prior law enforcement. It wasnât because of my last name. And I graduated near the top of my class.â
âSorry. Just kidding.â
I was pissed. But I had to admit something: I understood the comment. For decades, stories have circulated about officers being recruited for their ethnic background rather than their capabilities. Some of the stories have been true. I had earned my place in the academy and earned my place on the street, but that officer had looked on me as another âaffirmative action copâ.
As angry as I was, I knew he had reason to be angry and cynical as well. Because of lowered hiring standards, he didnât know who to trust. He wasnât sure who was qualified and who had been hired to keep up appearances. And he knew unqualified officers might fail him someday, when his life depended on them.
Why do I tell this story now? Because a lot of other people are about to experience the same thing. Iâm not talking about minority cops. Iâm talking about women who volunteer for combat arms in the military and earn their way through training. When they get lumped in with females who shouldnât have passed but were pushed through anyway, theyâre going to feel a lot like I did that night.
Lately the debate over women in combat has been aggravating the crap out of me. Iâve read several articles and comments about women in combat, and bitten my tongue at the myriad stupid claims: male and female physical fitness standards in the Army and Marines are already the same (theyâre not), a soldier working on a huge base is in the same danger as a soldier outside the wire (heâs not), or âThe military has finally recognized that there are no line drawn battlefields anymore where they could put the ‘girls’ in the rear. If you carry a weapon, you are in the thick of itâ (ridiculous horsecrap). Iâve tried responding on sites like the Huffington Post, but gave up. Many of the people driving this debate donât have a clue what theyâre talking about. And theyâre not interested in learning.
So letâs make something clear, which is a point some people donât get: there is no ban on women in combat. Thereâs a ban on women in combat arms. Thatâs a big difference.
For more than ten years, women have been regularly going outside the wire, getting into firefights, and suffering casualties. Theyâve served as vehicle drivers, vehicle gunners, engineers, medics, civil affairs specialists, communication specialists and pilots, among other jobs. Those are all crucial combat support roles, and those who fill them, male and female, deserve respect. But women arenât serving in combat arms, in jobs whose sole purpose is to engage the enemy. Theyâre not infantry, tankers, scouts or artillery soldiers.
Apparently, much of the public decided they wouldnât stand for this horrible military inequity, and did something about it. Loud screams about military gender equality came mostly from people who I suspect arenât veterans, donât know anyone in the military, and generally view the armed forces with disdain.
Their voices were heard. Voices from people like Marine Captain Katie Petronio, who actually was in firefights and concluded women are not suited for sustained combat, were ignored. As Captain Petronio wrote in an essay, âI am not personally hearing female Marines, enlisted or officer, pounding on the doors of Congress claiming that their inability to serve in the infantry violates their right to equality.â During twenty-four years of service in both the Marines and Army, I havenât heard it either. But that doesnât matter. Despite the lack of military voices demanding change, weâve received the warning order and are preparing to accept women into combat arms. The march toward equality has begun. Yay.
Although my tone might suggest otherwise, Iâm not against women in combat arms. In addition to knowing some awesome, physically fit women who could do it, Iâve seen a couple of them do it. Most stories about vicious infantrywomen in foreign armies are as mythical as the plucky, just-as-tough-as-the-guys female character in movies like Battle Los Angeles. But some of the stories are true.
In Afghanistan, the French allowed certain women to serve with the infantry. One I met was assigned to a mortar team. She was in fantastic shape, and according to my French friends was competent, brave and never complained. Another was on a search team. She went on infantry missions, carried her ruck without problems, and once helped carry a wounded civilian to safety while under fire. So nobody can convince me itâs impossible for a woman to be a good combat arms soldier.
In this respect I actually disagree with many of my infantry friends, who see nothing good about female infantry. I was a tanker and scout, but never infantry. I seriously consider what experienced infantrymen have to say. Many of them point out problems we already have with gender integration, and the issues with pregnancies, love triangles and sexual harassment that are guaranteed to result when you add females to combat arms. Nobody should be shocked that young, physically fit men and women, brimming with life and facing death, find escape and comfort in each othersâ arms (and beds).
Accepting women into combat arms will require a major behavioral adjustment for both male and female soldiers. Plenty of people with valid experience donât think the benefit females bring is worth the upheaval. But I believe adherence to the American ideal is worth the trouble. This is the land of opportunity and equality of opportunity. I have a hard time telling someone, âYouâre qualified, capable and willing to do the most dangerous jobs for your country. No thanks. You donât have a penis, so take a hike.â
So my issue isnât with women in combat arms. My issue is with the stupid, utopian, willfully blind belief that men and women are the same across the board and can do the same things, that one gender is no more physically capable of combat than the other. Thatâs just not true. This isn’t about racism/sexism/any other -ism, no matter how hard some proponents of gender integration try to smear opponents with those terms. This is about two realities: battlefield and physiological.
This point has been made by several other writers, but itâs worth repeating. Males and females are separated in professional sports. The fittest female in the world isnât a match for the fittest male. People whose entire lives are committed to producing peak human performance realized this long ago. Female basketball players are in fantastic shape, but theyâre not on the same plane as male players. Plenty of female boxers could beat me senseless, but they wouldnât have a chance against Mike Tyson. Even in noncontact sports like sprinting, males and females are separated.
Is this because the sports world is full of sexists? Or is it because experts in human physical capability know men and women arenât equal? But maybe we should ignore gender segregation in sports, and advocate total gender integration in combat arms. After all, if integration fails in the military, itâs only lives that will be lost. Not something important, like the Super Bowl.
Some say women have proven physical differences donât matter. Women in Iraq and Afghanistan have already shown they can handle combat. Yes they have been in combat, but that doesnât tell the whole truth. The roles filled by women in the War on Terror have been, generally speaking, much less physical than combat arms jobs.
In Iraq I was on a convoy escort team, and spent almost all my time outside the wire sitting in a humvee. When I had to get out it was just to check the area around my vehicle. Plenty of female Soldiers and Marines, and even a handful of female sailors and Air Force women, had the same job.
Yes, some of us were in combat. We were shot at, had IED strikes or near misses. But we werenât running around under fire in 130 degree heat with eighty pounds of gear. We werenât maneuvering heavy artillery into position, frantically trying to get rounds downrange and keep a friendly unit from being overrun. We werenât pulling fifty-five pound HEAT rounds from an Abrams tank ammo rack, flipping them and throwing them into a breech every ten seconds.
Our war was slow-paced and physically undemanding. We left one safe spot, drove hours through danger areas, and finished at another safe spot where ice cream and Green Bean coffee waited. We did not face physical stresses and dangers equal to infantrymen patrolling Sadr City, Fallujah, or Diyala. Many of us, male and female, were physically incapable of doing what the infantry did. If anyone looks at a the typical womanâs combat experience and thinks itâs the same as being in combat arms, theyâre either unforgivably ignorant or biased to the point of blindness.
And if someone buys the “modern war is so high-tech that physical strength doesn’t matter” myth, I invite them to join an infantry patrol in Kapisa province. Carrying eighty pounds of gear for three hours up a mountain is nothing like operating a drone. There’s nothing high-tech about an exhausted soldier straining to run under crushing weight while people are shooting at him.
So how do we make military gender integration work? My idea, which the military will likely not listen to, is this: allow women into combat arms, but only after theyâve passed a selection process. Let women who prove themselves capable enter those fields. While theyâre in the training courses, maintain the exact same training and performance standard for females as for males. Train females with the understanding that their gender wonât make their load lighter, their performance expectations lower, or their chances of survival higher. Combat arms females will face equal risks in combat, so they should face equal challenges in training.
That way only the best-qualified women would even try it, and the graduation rate for those women would likely be close to the male graduation rate. Female graduates would be viewed as ârealâ infantrywomen, scouts, tankers or artillerywomen. They wouldnât have an experience similar to mine. Male soldiers wouldnât automatically doubt their ability.
But whatâs the military probably going to do instead? Itâs going to listen to hysterical voices speaking from horribly invalid experience as âequality for everyoneâ protestors. Itâs going to go along with the ridiculous untruth about males and females being exactly the same in all aspects. Itâs going to open combat arms to females the same way itâs open to males. And when a class of 100 males and 100 females has twenty male and eighty female failures, the military is going to quietly tell the instructors, âGo easy on the females. Their failure rate makes it look like weâre discriminating against women. We canât have that.â And the next classâs female failure rate will magically be the same as the male failure rate.
If we choose the appearance of equality over actual quality, we know what it will produce. In future battles, good people will die because âsoldiersâ in their units will fail. And when, not if, that happens, people who ranted and screamed about equality will suffer none of the consequences. They wonât be overrun because artillery soldiers couldnât set their guns up quickly enough. They wonât burn because a loader couldnât feed a tank main gun fast enough. They wonât be pinned down, flanked and massacred because soldiers in a quick reaction force couldnât carry their loads far enough.
Those who protest loudest about equality while having nothing invested in the outcome wonât be bothered. They donât serve, their children donât serve, their friends donât serve. The casualties wonât be theirs to mourn. And some of those casualties will be qualified, capable women, who earned their way into combat arms and into combat.
Those women deserve better than to be failed by soldiers who should never have been at their side. They deserve better than the âequalityâ of being just as dead as the soldiers around them. They deserve a fair shot at being combat troops, they deserve the right to earn their way into combat units. And they should serve only with other soldiers who have truly earned that same right.
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