About That “Punching Nazis” Thing…

12Feb17

Alleged Nazi Richard Spencer got punched last month. Then rioters at UC Berkeley beat people for going to see conservative provocateur Milo Yiannopolous, who is apparently also a Nazi. Since Milo’s a Nazi, the people who wanted to see Milo must also have been Nazis. One of the Nazis who wanted to see Milo was beaten unconscious, others were bloodied. For the last month, there’s been tons of Nazi-punching going on.

Who likes to see Nazis gets punched? Everyone, right? Well, not exactly. It turns out, punching Nazis isn’t as good an idea as one might think.

Before I get into why it’s not such a good idea, you should know I pledged my life to defending America from enemies, including Nazis, for 27 years. Some relatives I’m most proud of spent their formative years shooting Nazis. In our current political climate anyone who speaks out against punching Nazis is likely to be called a Nazi himself, but I actually hate Nazis. Not only have I studied World War II and the Holocaust for years and know what horrible crimes Nazis actually committed, I’ve also heard Holocaust survivors speak, visited Holocaust museums in America and Europe, and personally argued with neo-Nazis. I recognize that Nazis think they’re inherently superior to me, which kind of gets on my nerves. So before some “antifa” (“anti-fascist” rioter) gets all jacked up and calls me a Nazi, they should know that Hispanic Nazis fall under the category of “people unclear on the concept.”

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Since I don’t care much for Nazis, it might seem surprising that I don’t think they should be punched. To be more precise, I don’t mind punching actual Nazis; the problem is, the people getting punched lately aren’t Nazis. Richard Spencer is in fact a white nationalist, but he doesn’t actually do anything except talk. Milo Yiannapolous is a gay Jew with an affinity for black men, which would have gotten him killed three times over in Nazi Germany. The people who went to his event at Berkeley weren’t Nazis at all, they were just regular people who wanted to hear a dissenting opinion. One was just a young girl who didn’t agree with the mob. She wasn’t punched, she got pepper sprayed for it.

And therein lies the problem. When we cheer a violent rioter because “he punched a Nazi!”, without having any actual evidence the victim was a Nazi, what we’re really saying is, “It’s okay to use violence on people because I think I know their opinions, and I’ve decided some opinions aren’t allowed.”

But hey, Nazi opinions shouldn’t be allowed. Right?

Yes, they should. Nazis suck, and Nazi opinions suck, but we live in America. ANY opinion is allowed; not every opinion is valid, not every opinion is respectable, not every opinion is or should be safe from well-deserved ridicule. But an opinion – ANY opinion – is harmless. In America, we don’t beat people up for their opinions.

There are plenty of opinions I’m not fond of. I don’t like communists, since they murdered more people than Nazis ever even tried to. But if I encounter these people, I won’t beat them for their incredibly stupid opinions.

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Unlike many fringe leftists, I don’t care for the idea of killing every last white man, woman and child. At least one well-known member of the New Black Panther Party, on the other hand, has advocated white genocide on video on at least two occasions. So should we punch any NBPP member we see, since by association they advocate genocide?

Richard Spencer advocated “peaceful ethnic cleansing” to create a white nation. Just having that opinion means you should get punched, right? Oddly enough, a current major American political figure once advocated the creation of a black nation in the American south, with the caveat that “peaceful whites would not be compelled to move away,” which was awfully nice of him. But since he didn’t define “peaceful,” and we see that much of the left considers language itself “violence,” it’s not much of a stretch to see whites with wrong opinions ethnically cleansed from the black nation.

Think this modern political figure is some far-left loon? Nope, it’s Keith Ellison, in the running for chair of the Democratic National Committee. Since he advocated what sounds like ethnic cleansing, is anyone going to sucker punch him like they did Richard Spencer?

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“Nazis” are not the only people who say incredibly stupid or offensive things. But once you decide to beat people for being Nazis, without evidence they’re Nazis, your definition of what constitutes a Nazi tends to broaden. As we’ve heard repeatedly during and after the election, Spencer is a Nazi. Since he supports Trump, Trump must be a Nazi. Since Trump is a Nazi, anyone who supports him must be a Nazi. And since Nazis can be justifiably beaten in the streets, about half the country has now become legitimate targets for violence in the eyes of the radical left.

 

This violence has already gotten so bad, Trump protesters literally set a Trump supporter on fire the day after the inauguration. But since it’s okay to use violence against Nazis, which includes any Trump supporter, my ears are still ringing from the left’s deafening silence about a Trump protester literally setting someone on fire for their political opinion.

Two Trump supporters were beaten unconscious by leftist mobs within three days. And yet UC Berkeley students are writing essays justifying violence against unarmed people solely for their opinions as “self defense,” and protest organizers are proudly calling for even more violence against people for their opinions.

 

Long story short, 1) Americans shouldn’t get beaten for political opinions even if they’re Nazis, and 2) the people currently getting beaten aren’t Nazis anyway. I’d point out that the same liberal/leftist/democratic side of the aisle that was justifiably aghast at any violence by a Trump supporter is too busy watching the Flintstones or something to loudly condemn the mass violence, arson and looting being committed by radical leftists, but that’s too easy. So instead, I’ll do the radical leftist rioters who like to punch Nazis a favor, and tell them this:

Mob violence against people for having forbidden opinions is great fun and all, until your forbidden opinion is the one facing the angry mob. So stop it. Stop covering your face, joining up with your gang and beating up innocent people because you don’t like what they think. This isn’t just a moral issue, it’s a practical one. I’ve watched what you people do, and to be honest you suck at fighting.

Don’t get me wrong; you’re great at being cowards and forming large groups to attack individual unarmed people, you’re highly skilled at breaking windows, you’re proficient at arson, but you suck at actual fighting. And since your groups are made up of people who hate guns and hate the military, you don’t have armed, trained people experienced in the use of violence.

But your targets do. The people you consider Nazis are far more likely to be armed, trained, and prepared to fight than you are. And the more incidents of mass violence you commit, the more likely regular Americans are to fight back. Those regular Americans will be better at fighting than you are. The only reason you people haven’t been beaten down en masse in the streets is because regular Americans are following the rules and expecting the police to stop you. It won’t always be that way. Some day, probably very soon, you’ll encounter people who are intimately familiar with the kind of violence you think you’re capable of. And you won’t win.

“Antifas” and “Nazi punchers” are currently marching toward today’s equivalent of the L.A. Riot’s “roof Koreans,” people who didn’t just roll over and take it when rioters tried to loot and burn their businesses.

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Unlike way too many people on the fringes of both the right and left, I don’t want to see violence in the street against any American citizen for their political opinion. I don’t want to see Trump protesters assaulted at his rallies, or Trump’s supporters beaten unconscious by black-masked rioters who violently oppose pretty much anyone who doesn’t think Lenin is the mother of all thats holy. So please, if you support beating up “Nazis”/aka “regular American citizens with opinions you don’t like,” think about what you’re doing and what response you’re likely to provoke.

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Chris Hernandez is a 22 year police officer, former Marine and retired National Guard soldier with over 25 years of military service. He is a combat veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan and also served 18 months as a United Nations police officer in Kosovo. He writes for BreachBangClear.com and Iron Mike magazine and has published three military fiction novels, Proof of Our ResolveLine in the Valley and Safe From the War through Tactical16 Publishing. He can be reached at chris_hernandez_author@yahoo.com or on his Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/ProofofOurResolve).

 

 

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17 Responses to “About That “Punching Nazis” Thing…”

  1. 1 Mark

    “John Mosby” at the Mountain Guerilla blog addressed the same issue, but his take is a little different. Me, I’m just avoiding crowds and campuses for a while.

    https://mountainguerrilla.wordpress.com/2017/02/07/skull-stomping-sacred-cows-reality-isnt-nice-its-a-2×4-to-the-teeth/

    • 2 snelson134

      His take is wrong:

      “If you don’t believe that a dude who is out, in wintertime, in a protest/riot, and eating some riot cops baton, as he receives a solid washing with “hickory shampoo,” is not a dedicated True Believer, you’re deluding yourself”

      There’s just one small problem: THAT HASN’T HAPPENED YET. Anywhere.

      The closest has been at Trump’s Inauguration, where the DC Police Department (which in the end, is under direct Federal orders, IOW Trump’s) has actually arrested people. And the DA actually charged them.

      All the rest of them have been in various Blue Heavens like Berkely, where the cops, egged on by the political chain of command (all Democrat) haven’t done SQUAT. Minimal arrests. No prosecutions. No aggressive response. Get back to me when there’s an actual casualty count that doesn’t involve the people being attacked by the mobs.

      Oh, and those same Blue Heavens have been making armed self-defense as close to impossible as they could for 40 years. So naturally the law abiding didn’t show up properly equipped.

  2. 4 Joe in PNG

    To paraphrase “A Man for All Seasons”, you give the Devil himself the benefit of law to protect your own rights.

  3. 5 TV

    Great post Chris.

    Mob violence is extremely dangerous. Group attacks are extremely dangerous to life and limb. Armed or unarmed.

    Example: RIP TX Trooper Darryll Lunsford

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Darrell_Lunsford

    Types of physical disparity of force against a victim: numbers of attackers, size of attackers, age of attackers, strength of attackers, level of violence used by attackers.

    The law deems all individuals in the attacking mob act “as one” for their legal responsibility.

    When disparity of force occurs, it lowers the legal articulation threshold for the immediate use of deadly force in self defense against those attackers in a mob. The risk of grave bodily harm, crippling injury or death is that much greater to the victim.

    For stand your ground, you cannot be trespassing, committing a crime higher than a class c misdemeanor (TX), and haven’t instigated the confrontation (fighting words).

    Peaceably supporting something is not instigation.

    Yet, that is what the ultra-left claims is their “justification” to commit violent forcible felonies.

    That is potentially fatal to ultra left thugs if they victim select a law abiding CHL holder who can validate a threat to life and/or limb.

    Personally, I support an aggressive standard from LEO against mob violence. These thugs need to experience big boy rules scaled by controlled force professionals with concomitant sentencing.

    Tamp it down.

    References:

    From Mas Ayoob MAG-20. http://massadayoobgroup.com/mag-20-classroom/

    Suggested reading: Deadly Force https://www.amazon.com/Deadly-Force-Understanding-Right-Defense/dp/1440240612

    Andrew Branca: http://lawofselfdefense.com/

  4. 7 roy in nipomo

    Unfortunately the politicians keeping the police back (e.g. Berkeley, Fresno) means that it is likelier that citizens will enforce their own defense. The difficulty with vigilantes is that they are particularly careful about “proof of guilt” and “proportional/minimum necessary force”. We’ll then still have mobs, but they’ll be on the other side. So long as the people feels like the police will take action fairly and (generally) protect them, they will leave it to the authorities. Once they start to feel that their gov’t supplied protection depends on their politics, things will get… unpleasant.

  5. 8 Alpheus

    As for punching or even killing Nazis, a good thing to remember is that those who were doing it weren’t doing it because they didn’t like what Nazis were saying. People were killing Nazis because Nazis were killing other people.

    They started a war, they started genocide. It’s fine to shoot back.

    So long as Nazis were giving speeches (both before and after the war), it would have been HIGHLY inappropriate to fight them, for the reasons discussed in this blog post!

  6. Heya Chris,

    it is always nice to see someone I like to agree on an issue like this. Also reassuring to see that so many readers of yours agree with that and have written similar articles.

    I myself was recently surprised to hear someone else I admire, someone who likes to point at his awards for free speech, to advocate for punching people whom he does not agree with.

    I got a wee bit angry, so I had to respond, too:
    http://www.tobiasprinz.com/this-is-me/punching-people-in-the-face-because-warren-ellis-said-so/

  7. This opinion piece is very skewed. It starts off centered then you just go off on the deep end talking about how the left is completely evil and the right can do no evil.

    Both Milo and the other one have said they are nazis. They took claim to the word at that point it doesn’t matter their actions if you are brave enough to claim a part of a heinous sect then you shouldn’t be surprised when someone drop kicks you in the teeth. As for the lady who got pepper sprayed that was wrong. Maybe she is hateful and a racist but racism isn’t illegal yet. I will definitely advocate violence against anyone who says the words “I am a nazi” I don’t care what color religion or orientation you are. Those are incendiary words by nature and it must be handled appropriately.

    Supporters of people who claim to be nazis are just idiots.

    • Please provide evidence either one of them said they’re nazis. Find a quote.

      One of the biggest reasons we’re seeing this surge in leftist violence is because people like you are spreading rumor and unfounded accusations as fact.

      As far as “the right can do no wrong” comment, 1) I never said that and would never say it, and 2) at the moment there is no right wing equivalent to the leftist mobs beating people up in the streets for having forbidden opinions.

    • 12 snelson134

      “Both Milo and the other one have said they are nazis. ”

      Lie. Straight up.

    • 13 Joe in PNG

      Would you have a problem if people advocated violence towards those who say “I am a Communist”?
      Communism is also by nature a system that has brought about mass murder in the societies it runs, thus they are also a “heinous sect”. Ergo, the advocates of Communism are also being “incendiary” and by your logic, should also get a “kick to the teeth”.

    • 14 johnlecomte

      Spencer has literally said 10+ times “I don’t like nazis.” Stop spreading lies.

  8. It really seems like people are just looking for an excuse to punch people they disagree with.


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